The Ego death

Leftius

What exactly happens when the ego dies? How much do you have to meditate?

Leftius

I mean how it feels like!

paulojose

I supose that Jesus and Bhuda "killied" their egos but a common human being?! Not very likely. If we had no egos we would be free of all the negative traits of our caracter and we would be so evolved that we would not need to be reborn endlessly. It is the ideal situation and there are quite a number of human souls right now pursuing that state, mostly budhists but not only.

Leftius

I remember very vaguely reading how swami Vivekananda faced his master and the master made him feel very uneasy. He was afraid of losing himself. Yes, I think meditation masters can achieve the "ego loss", but I also cogitate that it is almost impossible for the common people. There may be dread, but how can you overcome it?

Leftius

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramakrishna

paulojose

Through effort. Everything is possible we just don´t believe it is. Our ego´s rule us and an ego is an imense liar, he is constantly telling us that  we can´t do or that, that it is not possible or safe, better be still. We have to killi the bastard, the only thing he does is to cause us pain.

Leftius

"The gross and subtle body enveloping the Self, is born of nescience or ignorance (avidya). It no longer exists in the sleep state, when the Self enjoys a reflection of the pure bliss. The gross body perishes at death, but the subtle body continues to envelop the Self different incarnations, as long as the Self is not awake through realisation of its identity with the Absolute. The separate self is the 'pathetic fallacy', and it is only the false assumption of its non-identity that the illusory desparate universe is architected. The Self can be free by ceasing to identify himself with the bodies he has so long falsely imagined his own, and realising himself to be really the cosmic Self that uses all existent bodies, and so to be immortal and universal. In the state of freedom he attains the eternally blissful experience of identity free from ego, desire, and experience (pleasant or unpleasant), and living wholly without relationship to objects and events in this shadow-world, being merged wholly in the absolute, Brahman.

"The method of attaining the above State is the direct and ecstatic intuitive experience of the self as the Universal Self or God, and then living wholly thus merged in the Divine. This involves the loss of all ego-sense, the cessation of Planning and desiring sense-objects. Divine grace and precepts of the Guru are further aids in this direction. Righteous actions, control of mind, discrimination between right and wrong, detachment from the worldly life and desire for freedom are the prerequisites of attaining Self-realisation."

(Raghunath Safaya,1975, p. 203)

The ego is indeed the bastard! I can't love anybody who has a big ego. We, I think, can't truly love other's ego. But perhaps we love them another way? I'm not sure, in fact, I have never pondered these love matters closely. Do we love love or the person? Where does the love stem from? Is it just biological love...

Leftius

And what kind of God would love an egoistic human? I think that He loves only souls. The ego in my mind is becoming something very very terrible. I wish I could meditate.

Brian

It is the very height of egoism to just assume that we can kill the ego? 

LunaWHDavies7

@Brian: but, but... you were the one preaching about killing the ego!!!

Or at least taming it!

*1940s American movie voice*
Hey ya, kids, I'm confused. Lovely to meet ya folks today!

LunaWHDavies7

@Leftius: asking for the exact amount of meditation required is like asking exactly how long is takes to be proficient at piano. Yes, you have to practise many hours a day if you want to be good, but your results vary based on past training, HOW you approach the instrument and how good your ear is (which you also have to train every day until the day you die pretty much).
Alread played another instrument or partook in Kodalyi? Less time. Have perfect pitch or a developed sense of relative pitch? Less time. No hand-eye coordination, no musical training, nothing? No abstract thinking? Be ready for at least ten years of slow progress. Even then, you might get nowhere.

It takes a different amount of time for everyone, it seems.

Leftius

Does it depend on the individual? Perhaps good karma from past lives makes us better meditators. I have a few yogi past lives - very advanced ones! I just found a book in my twenties and started meditating. It was as if I had to meditate! Sadly, I developed a kundalini psychosis and I can't meditate anymore.

Brian

You mean your dark passenger was an advanced yogi or at least wishes to believe that? When are you going to take charge of your vehicle?

Brian

Leftius

Brian, You should know who I mean. The mage from my past. He was a wicked yogi.

I can't take control as long as the curse is upon me. One guru cursed me to mock all holiness. He just wanted to feel what kind of man I'm. He does not let go. It is horrible. Who should lift the curse?

Leftius

I see. Patanjali will delete the curse.

Brian

Pedantic Sith minds are severely limited by false concepts and parameters. This is the delusion of Gnosis. By constantly seeking a key, nothing ever gets unlocked. An endless cycle of incarnations results.

LunaWHDavies7

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Brian

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Brian

The Zen artist tries to suggest by the simplest possible means the inherent nature of the aesthetic object. Anything may be painted, or expressed in poetry, and any sounds may become music. The job of the artist is to suggest the essence, the eternal qualities of the object, which is in itself a work of natural art before the artist arrives on the scene. In order to achieve this, the artist must fully understand the inner nature of the aesthetic object, its Buddha nature. This is the hard part. Technique, though important, is useless without it; and the actual execution of the art work may be startlingly spontaneous, once the artist has comprehended the essence of his subject.