Final Exit

Leftius

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Exit

Do you have the right to die if you are permanently ill?

What about karma? Do we just have to endure even the most malignant diseases to the bitter end?

I can't decide. How about you?

OskrZS

paulojose

Aparently suicide is not a right we have, spiritualists and religious people all say the same thing, it´s a big no-no. That means that we are not owners of ourselves, then who is?

Brian

But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, then I will do this to you: I will bring upon you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and drain away your life. 

Brian

Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.…

Brian

There are passages in the Nikaayas where the Buddha approves of the suicide of bhikkhus: but in these cases they were Arahants, and we are to suppose that such beings who have mastered self, can do what they please ...

Brian

The burning monk, alas was NOT an Arahant and must, therefore, deal with the karmic consequence of his hubris.

Brian

Regarding the curious case of Bill Gates who has clearly refused to reduce his own carbon emissions to zero to demonstrate TRUE commitment to his own crazy dictates ... it's just NOT good enough.

Steve Jobs 1, Bill Gates 0.

paulojose

If we have penalties to pay then we don´t have the right to escape from prison, therefore we cannot get away from it even if we try by suicide, it does not work. Those who try it by suicide get slapped back down here in a worse situation than before, that´s what we are told.

Brian

Brian

Advanced meditation is the most skillful form of suicide that leads to the final cessation of all suffering.

LunaWHDavies7

And that's why I only attempted suicide once! Over four days, but once, so maybe one attempt a day, but it's still one attempt, right? Cluster!

Sometimes there are situations that make living so painful it's like being tortured every single day. And when you literally are in so much pain you have NO more strength. Still, Paulo is right. Kill yourself and you accumulate yet more karma. You will be forced to return anyways, but in a worse
position. So it will do you no good, really.
What if the torture is so bad, so unbearable, that leaving and returning in different circumstances, even worse ones, would provide with better chances? Then what?

Brian

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254619/Baby-girl-survives-shot-chest-parents-global-warming-suicide-pact.html

Brian

Brian

In general terms, it's advisable NOT to back yourself into a corner with no sensible means of escape. 

Leftius

I just watched a VICE report on the Final Exit. There are very weird times in Holland, where even persons with personality disorders can be put to death. Life is not that cheap! We can learn from difficulties, although somebody suffering from serious bodily diseases might disagree!

Suicide can be advisable in dire times. I remember reading about a gladiator who suffocated himself before a fight. 

"A prison becomes a home when you have the key."

- George Sterling

Brian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Masada

OskrZS

Do you believe in christ, leftius?

Leftius

Why do you ask that?

OskrZS

Ohh cause you talked about nihilismo and stuff

LunaWHDavies7

The Quitus did the same thing when they realized the Spanish wanted to enslave them. Burned the whole village down, threw themselves in the Pichincha volcano. One badly burned little boy survived, though.

OskrZS

Gods punishment... For quiting?

Leftius

OskrZS:

I am not a Christian, but I think that Jesus is God's only son.  

OskrZS

breemaborg

https://www.facebook.com/OBSEV/videos/949267175187593/

Brian

Destructive G-Force?

The g-force acting on a stationary object resting on the Earth's surface is 1 g (upwards) and results from the resisting reaction of the Earth's surface bearing upwards equal to an acceleration of 1 g, and is equal and opposite to gravity. However, Flat Earthers simply deny that gravity exists. Something to do with density.

Leftius

I found this great video on suicide:

ferz

the most 2 hard sins are suicidal & barter of feelings = clairvoyants say this...

ferz

LEFTIUS, i'm glad YOU BELIEVE IN IS'A CHRYST = YOU don't have to be a church-guy - YOU see what it became... a worshippin' institution ...

= bellow is THE MOVIE - i 'd say it is GENUINE = time-travel footage ...

ferz

https://www.google.ro/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=suicide psychic

before choosing the path of yoga, Milarepa - young & unawared - once used black-magick & killed ... 135 ? people... later, after he met Marpa , Marpa made him build a fastuous house ... &, it was not-at-all simple ... each brick hand-made , left in the sun to get dry ... &, every time Milarepa was finished , Marpa has forced him to break it down & start all-over again... it took years until Milarepa kept on building & breaking & restoring the house ... for 135 times = finally, Marpa asked him :"You aren' t able to create a life... why did you take-away 135 lives, back-then ? Now, your karma for that mistake has been burnt , we can proceed & i'll teach you ..."

Leftius

I've been suicidal for ten years. I tried suicide by opening my arm. It was a deep cut, but it didn't bleed badly, so I was saved. I have a death wish. Almost every morning I feel that I  just want to rest forever. But there is no way out. I must learn self-respect. 

It was actually the spiritual world that forced me to commit suicide. The whole universe was against me because of my past life as a mage. That means a wicked yogi.  

I must appreciate this life. I can't waste it. I don't want to go to hell.